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A Great Question!

It's a question that we went back and forthvarious first person accounts, the reasoning
with for awhile ourselves many moons ago. Thethat WEF outlined as WELL as the method of
"how" and "why" of our conclusions may be ofuse and mode of INSTRUCTION made a great deal
some interest. Whether or not anyone agreesof sense to me, as well as others whose
with them, well at the least you'll fullyopinions I had grown to respect. What we HAD
understand the basis for them.The question isexperienced was IN that little old manual.The
this:Why does Fairbairn stress the straighttask NOW was to do more research and to make
thumb in line with the barrel, even for onethese methods come alive. That meant studying
handed shooting?Years ago when we first beganas much material as we could find on this
our attempt to sort out the mechanics,topic, and then understanding it and
methods and reasoning behind this type ofperfecting it.BUT, you may ask, what about
shooting we had the exact same question! Itthe "instinct" part. Didn't you KNOW this
really is an excellent question.We need aalready? Yes, we did KNOW how many(certainly
little history here. When a group of usnot all) individuals will react when placed
started to "experiement" with this method ofin sudden life and death emergency
shooting we had all been indoctrinated andsituations. The JOB was to rip this method
trained in one or both of the prevailingapart, find any flaws, find any strengths,
"practical" shooting methods extant. Oneand to make it fully our own. ONLY then, once
being the "cutting edge method" of the time,we really KNEW what the hell we were
that owing to Jeff Cooper and the methodsdoing(and talking about), could we DECIDE if
being taught at Gunsite. The other being theit offered any REAL solutions to us. ANYTHING
fairly standard FBI clone known as theless than FULLY studying, inculcating and
"Practical Pistol Course". Most policeUNDERSTANDING the method would constitute
recruit training of this period emphasizedINTELLECTUAL FRAUD in terms of any real
the PPC tactical course of fire over anyincisive and HONEST comparison with any other
other method, including the much touted"method".How the hell do you judge something
"Weaver". Full sight alignment, "positive"without that mind-set.During this period(mid
grip with a two-hand "isoceles", barricadeto late 70's) there were a growing number of
firing with both single and double"experts" entering the field. Cooper first
action(most departments carried wheel guns)and foremost, then names like Taylor, Farnam,
all done at varying distancesand variousAyoob, and many others. For the most part,
battery firing positions. The only timeall "towed" the party line. Weaver was IT.
ANYTHING approaching "instinct" shooting wasEverything else was outdated, outmoded and
even mentioed was at the six foot range"old" fashioned. Well, at this point I
distance when passing commentary wentstarted collecting EVERYTHING I could about
something like......."Maybe you won't be ableshooting. Everything. From the oldest manuals
to get the gun all the way up,and books to the most up to date. Magazine
so..............."This was the prevailingupon magazine, and of course continued ACTUAL
situation at that time for those interestedtraining. What I was constantly learning was
in "combat" or "practical" shooting either byreally eye opening.Studying McGivern,
vocation or hobby. To make matters worse,Hatcher, Roper, Nichols, Weston, Gaylord,
MOST if not all "civilian" instruction STILLAskins, Jordan, "old" works by Copper, and so
was based on the old "Olympic" style ofmany other men and other sources like
competitve target work.Now REMEMBER this wasLeatherneck and the Infantry Journal, old
at a time when specially trained units likeissues of the American Rifleman was
ESU or SWAT were still in their infancy! Andastonishing. My research collection has NEVER
William Shatner's ONLY claim to fame was asstopped growing. I don't "stop" learning, but
Captain Kirk. When cops went on a job theymore on that later.The only contemporary
were fully expected to handle it. ONLY thevoice getting a little play in the popular
most EXTREME situations were responded to bygun journals was Brad Steiner. Much of what
"something" resembling a special tacticshe wrote reflected what I had known to be
unit. At BEST most departments had only atrue based on MY experience. There really WAS
semi-organized squad of "hats and bats", anda gap and a need for methods that dealt
that was it. So the street cop responded tospecifically with CLOSE QUARTERS GUN BATTLES.
EVERY type of call and was FULLY expected toThe only really close quarters method being
handle whatever emergency arose.So that gamutbantered about at this time was the "speed
runs from Bank alarms, to convenience storerock". Steiner's contemporary articles were
robberies, to building, warehouse andvery interesting and he stirred alot of
residential searches, from alleyways andresentment and controversy.I remember one
stairwells to rooftops and basements.slam made aginst Steiner and John McSweeny by
Sometimes you creep and sometimes you run.Mas Ayoob. It concerned the use of a mirror
Sometimes you know there's a potentialto check and adjust firing poistion,
threat, sometimes it just leaps out at you.alignment and so forth. This was a method
Sometimes there is plenty of light(good andadvocated by MANY "old timers" as a tried and
bad), sometimes just a dim streetlight neartrue way of DAILY practice away from the
an alleyway that YOU have to clean out.range. Easy. Simple. No "brainer". Everyone
Sometimes, and more often than not, there ishas a mirror. Made perfect sense to me. And
NO real light, just dark. And shadows!Searchit WORKED. Great! Well, Ayoob likened this to
a warehouse for a suspect and you may get"mental" masturbation. I'm not really one to
shot from a distance, from behind cover ormince words, it's usually(not always) better
concealment. Search an apartment building orto just speak plainly. I couldn't help but
private residence for a suspect and you maywonder what the reaction of men like Paul
get shot from "sneezing" distance. You mayWeston of the NYPD(who advocated this mirror
see the threat and "prepare' yourself, ortraining highly) or "Jelly" Bryce would have
maybe the threat just SPRINGS out at you.been to that comment. I also pondered what
Maybe the badguy is in front of you, maybeBrad Steiner's reaction, and perhaps more SO,
he's lurking and creeping just there behindJohn McSweeny's reaction would have been to
you.Maybe it's a car stop gone bad. MaybeMr. Ayoob had he made that comment nose to
it's a "nut" who approaches YOU while you'renose instead of in print. Basically, what
in a patrol unit sipping coffee and shootingAyoob was saying, thinly veiled as it was,
the shit with your partner. Maybe you're offwas, you're a "jerk off".Where were we? Oh
duty.The point is this: In the real worldYEA..........................................
ANYTHING can and probably WILL happen. As bad...................What to do with ALL of
as it gets, is about as BAD as it WILLthis information, both new and "old". Well,
GET.Now add THIS: Will you be wounded,logically the thing to do was to look at the
injured, or in someway incapacitated, lessmost basic problems presented by any
than at optimum ability. Will you be firingsituation and BUILD from there.Easy enough.
your duty weapon, or will you be using yourRight? Well, actually
"back up" or has the shit degenerated to theno......................................First
degree that you have to use your last ditchthing we did was to DEFINE the terms that we
"hide out" piece. I've known situations wherewould use. When so and so said this, made
an officer has HAD to grab and use one of thethis statement, what did he REALLY mean? When
"downed" perps weapons, to save his woundedShooter A talks about this to Shooter B are
partners life. What POSITION will you be inthey REALLY understanding the terms being
when all hell breaks loose? Maybe you CAN'TUSED. Or is one party ASSUMING he knows what
run for cover, maybe there is NO cover. Youa certain phrase or descriptive term means.
can do everything RIGHT and still die, andDamn, w're back to that logical foundation
you can do everything WRONG and survive.jammy again. Let's see................I stop
Life's kinda crazy that way.The obvious partsome guy on the street and tell him in NO
of this, at least to an open-minded anduncertain terms that I LOVE his wife, and
"thinking" individual is that it ISalways will. As a matter of fact, I have
impossible to train and/or prepare for EVERYloved her for years. The man may be pretty
situation, every contingency. Can't BEshocked, he would have a right to be, maybe
DONE.What CAN be done is to figure out whateven take a swing at me. But, if we defined
method or system of training will GIVE YOUwhat was really said, well, the situation
the BEST all around overall preparation forchanges. The guy's wife is MY sister. And
survival.The "PPC" wasn't the answer, andyes, I love her deeply, always have, and
neither was Copper's "Modern Pistolcraft".always will. Before any honest up front
Something was missing.A round about way todialogue seeks to edify we should make sure
answer a single question, huh? Well withoutwe're on the same page. That was job 1. As I
understanding the genesis or the seed thatsaid anything less is intellectual fraud.So
all of this begins with and the "base" ofwe did a thorough job of defining the terms
experience that FORCED certain questions towe used and what they meant.Now we ruthlessly
be asked and answered the whole point will bewent about tearing apart everything on both
missed. The "straw man" arguements will flairsides of the hill.What does the REALITY of
up, and the whole "thing" will turn into athe street teach us, and how do we find REAL
pile of shit. And NO one will learn a goddamnuseful solutions to those problems
thing.The group of men that formed the corepresented.AND, here's the REAL
of our "cadre" so to speak were mostly copscatch...............................how does
drawn together initially by interests inall of this tie in to the LEAST common
other areas than firearms. Most I had metdenominator. In other words what is the MOST
thru my martial arts training, some were frombasic overall approach to these problems,
the "iron" pit(what a shithole, I loved it),taking into account first and foremost the
some we met at competitive "practical"least in ability, skill, experience and
matches. We had at one time or another guysknowledge. If we can begin to build on that,
from local, state, and federal agencies. Athen we have something really worthwhile.So
tremendous amount of experience and thehere are the "problems":1. Visibility.
desire to really "train" was the bond(not thePerfect to zero.2. Extreme close range sudden
shaker joints and sundries). A rare qualityviolence. Unprepared. Reactive. Prepared.
for cops in those days.So we weren'tActive.3. Enagaging adversaries at varying
stumbling in the dark here. We had thedistances and/or heights/360 degrees. Close
access, time, opportunity and means(most ofmedium/long range. Effective transition.
us were single and making a pretty goodActive and reactive.4. Ability to manuever
payday) to really travel, and train.and fire.5. Ability to effect fire on a
And....get in a whole helluva lot of rangemoving target.6. Ability to fire from
time. There was one point where at any givendis-advantage or awkward positions.7. Ability
time I had several 5 gallon pails filled withto fire from cover and/or concealment. Two
spent brass in my trunk waiting for theirdifferent tactical problems.8. Ability to
weekly drop off at my buddy who was afire with both hands. Tandem-strong and weak.
reloading fanatic. With no real responsibiltySingle-strong and weak.9. Ability to fire
in life you can live PRETTY LARGE(rightwhen vision is impaired.10. Ability to
Boyoo?).Frank Behlert(remember him?) stilltransition from weapon to weapon.11.
had his old shop on Lehigh Ave. in Union.Emergency reloading and malfunction
That was a great hub of activity and a greatclearing.12. The MUST DO shot.We did NOT
place to meet all sorts of interestingaddress specific tactical problems. This list
characters. It was also one of the firstwas designed for the MOST basic overall
places that really took an actice role incomponents facing every type of "shooter"
pushing the "practical" shooting matches inregardless of "job" specificity. A six three
the metro area.Now when some street200lb. police tactical officer could face
"cherries" or FNG's get out of the academythese "problems" in the same way that a 5
and hit the streets they clam up tighter thanfoot five 100lb. housewife may have to.
an asshole in a bath house. Sometimes it isSounds silly? Think about it.How we put
good to just shut the fuck up and keep yourtogether the syllabus-No forced or awkward
eyes and ears open. But by the same token, ifpositions  or  manuevers.
you don't ask you don't learn. So when ever a
dicey situation arose I would alwaysEverything based to the GREATEST extent
"debrief"(sometimes that took on a WHOLEpossible on gross motor skill, natural body
'nother meaning) myself and sort out whatdynamics, and "instinctive" action/reaction.
went "good", what went "bad", what could havetakes into account next to worst case
been done better and what could have hit thescenario and works from there(worst case
fan. If I needed to question something I did.being you're already dead).The entire system
Still do.Alot of the older cops were reallyshould be as seamless as possible. One
playing the old "salty dawg". 30 years and acomponent dovetailing with another. Not just
wake up and the papers were in and off toa "grouping" of techniques independent of one
Florida they went. Probably to drop dead ofanother. As general as possible to cover the
heart failure in a year. Life sucks and thengreatest number of contingencies. Weak
you die, or life sucks, you relocate tooffhand shooting is composed of the EXACT
Florida and THEN you die. Doesn't matter, endsame mechanics as TWO HANDED braced firing.
result the same.Still these guys were aThe fundamentals are EASILY retainable and
TREMENDOUS source of knowledge. On a wholeapply throughout the entire shooting system.
RANGE of "police" related subjects. Most, ifThe grip on the draw is the same grip for
not all of these men were combat vets of WWIIfiring. The grip when running, climbing,
or Korea. So when I had a question I asked.jumping is the same for drawing and firing.
If my screwy facial expression betrayed myThe grip when prone is the same when kneeling
disbelief at the answer, I usually heard theis the same whenusing braced barricade, is
following  refrain(if  I  had  a dime......),the same when using the "pop out" and fire.
This is a bad thing under the stress of real
"Listen wet nose, that's the square, theworld violence?The system? That we have to be
real deal, just remember I got more time inanother long winded thread(if I survive this
the shithouse than you have on theone). But for many of you, it won't be what
road"......followed invariably by......."Soyou think or what you have
just shut the FUCK up and learn". Well as"pidgeonholed".FINALLY.......................
things go, I never did learn to shut the fuck............the GRIP!Okay. First. Re-read all
up, but I did learn."They teach you what theythese parts over again. Really put some
teach in the academy 'cause they goteffort into understanding what is being said
to".............................."The streethere.Fairbairn admonishes us to extend the
has it's own rules, and only the streetthumb along the "slide release"(for
really knows what the hell those are". Rule #clarification). Mentions it several times. WE
1 - CYA. Rule # 2 - Never EVER forget rule #DON'T teach that grip as part of the basic
1.So where does this lead us? Well, thissyllabus. We practiced it alot and some liked
attitude between what is "percieved" as realit and some did not. BUT that's NOT the issue
and what really is REAL caused us tohere.The grip as advocated by WEF is
constantly question, examine, and re-examineparticular to the weapon shown, NOT to WEF.
everything we were "taught" to do againstMany gunners of the period in many different
everything we "really" DID.The bulbs reallymanuals and sources advocate the same grip
began flashing when we got hold of a copy offor THAT weapon. For the .45 ACP. It was
"Kill or Get Killed" followed by "Shooting toalmost de rigueur. Did it help some achieve
Live". At first we all, myself included,the standards for it that WEF set forth, MOST
looked at these old pictures, drawings andcertainly. For others it was a far less
"dust covered" verbiage as absolutelysuccessful venture. Some improved with
outdated, "know what I did during the BIGpractice, others did not.Now we have to find
ONE..............." bullshit! But "Get Tough"out why? Colonel Applegate had HIS answer and
had my sincere interest. One of those oldwe had ours(more on that later) BUT still we
timers I mentioned had been a US Navywanted to understand why WEF advocated it and
"landing force" instructor during the "BIGwhat we might have been missing.First we have
ONE". I had seen him in action for real,to remember that "Shooting to Live" was
unflitered "Lucky Strike" hanging out thewritten in it's original form(we have the
side if his mouth and wreaking holy havoc onmanual) as a manual for the SMP. An organized
some young "puffy chested" bucks. It was aUNIFORM police agency. "Shooting to live" is
thing of beauty! I on the other wasan expanded version of the original SMP
"fighting" these guys and looked like I wasmanual. Why is that important? Because the
"rode hard and put away wet".Something didn'tSMP, like most agencies issued a specific
add up. The methods my tour sargeant used"duty" weapon. A standard pistol. That was
WERE right out of "Get Tough", even how hethe .45 ACP. But that wasn't all! The .380
handled a "nightstick" and BOY he did thatACP was ALSO issued and for a VERY pertinent
with relish(remember NO ONE knew what areason. The use of the thumb extended grip
camcorder was!). Maybe there was something toadvocated for the .45 ACP had more to do with
this "Farburn" guy. I mean, up to this pointthe DESIGN of the weapon than with anything
"Fairbairn" was a good tan we got during "I &else. The angle between grip and barrel is
I" down at LBI. And "Applegate"? Sheeet, thatsuch that a full "convulsive"(there's that
was the entrance to an orchard, right?So thenterm again) grip with thumb wrapped DOWN will
we ACTUALLY started READING these texts.effect the horizontal barrel to floor
Really trying to keep an open mind. After ALLalignment that is so important to ALL forms
if "Guru" Jeff said it was so, well damnof accurate shooting. MORE so in the method
youngin' IT'S SO!Now here's the "bitch" intaught by WEF. The thumb extension helped
the whole thing............Pretty much EVERYseat the weapon from backstrap to muzzle in a
reason WEF and Colonel Rex GAVE for the"better" way for THAT gun. A full "fisted'
validity of the methods(THEY ARE DIFFERENTgrip tended to drop the muzzle DOWN. Also,
BOYS & GIRLS) were exactly what we all knewWEF had fairly large hands and a great grip.
were "missing" from the "practical" shootingHe also realized this and adjusted
we were doing. The difference in aaccordingly. Officer's with smaller hands who
nutshell......."How you are SUPPOSSED to docould NOT adjust or use the .45 ACP were
it, and how you REALLY do IT".Yes, if I haveissued the smaller .380 ACP. Now notice the
the "drop" on a suspected badman, like on aline drawing on pg. 19 of STL. These drawings
hinky title 39 stop when YOU KNOW the shit iswere made directly from still photos. Look at
just hanging in front of that fan READY to gohow far the thumb is extended in the picture.
SPLAT all over everyone, then YES, ALL theI have fairly normal size hands and a fair
"rules" get followed. If I had to arrest agrip, and my thumb doesn't come near to that
suspect on a felony warrany or who was aposition. I am certainly NOT alone in this
known "A & D" then yes......ALL the rules gotproblem. WEF recignized it too, THAT is why
followed. In those situations assessing,he issued smaller pistols for some
finding and moving to real "cover"(as opposedofficers.Again, this manual was done before
to just concealment) was viable, actuallythe second world war and done with the
anything else was STUPID. If that was NOT anSTANDARD issue .45 ACP or .380 ACP in mind as
option then covering the skel from a stablea UNIFORM piece of ordinance. WEF use of the
picture perfect "Weaver" or "isoceles" withextended thumb index was also obvious in his
positive sight alignment and all things neatmethod of firing both the M1 A1 carbine and
and tidy was the way to go. ANYTHING elsethe Thompson sub-machin gun. He liked this
would have beenmethod.Colonel Applegate had different ideas.
STUPID.BUT...................then there wereHis duties exposed him to a VAST number of
those multitude of OTHER TIMES.SEE there is ahandguns that WOULD be used in combat in
HUGE difference between having "IT" your way,varying countries. From the Luger to the
playing your "game", ACTING by your rules andWalther, from a Colt revolver to an
being forced to "REACT" to someone else'sautomatic, from a Browning to a Mauser.
"gamebook". You get forced into playing theApplegate sought A SINGLE method of battle
other guy's game and you're probably gonnafiring that was applicable to ANY handgun,
lose. Especially when the rules changeanywhere in the world. THIS is why Colonel
constantly.So let's answer this "job"Applegate advocated the "point shoulder"
together. Straight up and no bullshit. You'relocked wrist, convulsive grip method. That
working the graveyard tour mid-week. Fromsystem alone would allow anyone to grab ANY
your experience you figure that this tour onhandgun and be able to fire with effect(his
this day is usually pretty quiet. So it'swords-Man Killing Accuracy). Since each
around 3:00 am, you have made your "beat"design had a different angle between handle
rounds, done your shift reports, answered aand muzzle, differing weight, balance, muzzle
few calls, shitcanned them and now need alength, sight aperture and so on he devised a
little "resting of the eyes". You coop up. Ohsingular method to ADAPT to a GREAT number of
YEA, it's winter time. Snow, ice, and it'shandguns. That is GENIUS! So on this point I
bone chilling cold out. Just as you find thatdisagree with WEF's approach. How about all
"comfortable" position and settle in thethe other shootists? Like Bill Jordan. Look
radio goes bananas. Two seperate confirmedat his grip, about as tight fisted and
alarms at a warehouse that has been hitconvulsive as you can get. And he is one of
several times before. OFF to the races youmany that took a differing approach from what
GO!No siren, just the overheads, a couple ofis shown in STL. All I want to do is keep it
blocks away you go "silent". You make ato the MOST basic FIRST. MOST BASIC FIRST.
cursory pass in the unit and spot theMOST BASIC FIRST! M O S T B A S I C F I R S T
probable position of enrty (an open window,!Was Applegate completely HAPPY with what he
in JANUARY). Maybe. Maybe these guys followedtaught during WWII. NO, he wasn't. He told us
the "rules" and immediately left a secondpersonally that he would have taught FULLY
avenue of escape available to them. Maybe yousighted fire FIRST, then "point shoulder" if
get a back up unit, maybe you don't. Doesn'the had to do it again. YEP! NOTHING is
matter, you gotta roll with punches and youwritten in stone!There are other SOLID
got a JOB to do. The warehouse is HUGE,reasons behind the differences between WEF
completely dark, multi-level with more "nooksand Applegate, as well as others extant
and crannies" than a Thomas's muffin. Andduring this time. But, hell all that's in the
it's BEEN months since YOU answered a callpast. Who cares, right?Okey dokey. Back to
here (or maybe never) so the layout is NOTWEF and the extended thumb. NOW.......try
"fresh" in your mind.You approach the windowthis............even if you like the extended
cautiously and realize that the snowy,thumb for your .45 replace that auto with
slushy, muddy ground beneath has a distinctanother auto, large/medium/small frame. How's
set of LARGE boot prints, NO, wait, TWO setsthe "feel", bet you adjust with each
of distinct footprints. Let'sdiffering piece.Now grab a wheel gun. Try it
see.........okay the window has been jimmied.WITH THAT! Hmmmmmmm.....how's that working
Pretty secure industrial window. These pryout? No, not the Model 29 S&W, the small
marks were done by something pretty big andframe two inch......try that. Well I don't
pretty sharp. Keep that in mind.Enoughsee HOW that extended thumb grip works AT ALL
bullshit, time to go into the "party".Let'swith a revolver. Not for double action most
stop for a moment and take stock of ourcertainly!SO now what? How about
situation:1. NO light, either inside(if wethis...........You carry a primary duty
could  even  find  them)  or  OUTSIDE.weapon that is a large frame auto. Okay. You
also carry a small frame "snubby" on your
2.  At  least  two  potential  threats.ankle....the "just in case" gun. And, maybe a
Beretta .25 as your "oh SHIT" gonna be late
3. Unknown area of operation. Little if anyfor dinner piece. THREE different guns, three
idea  of  how  the  joint  is  layed  out.DIFFERENT grips and THREE differing "feels".
Or look down the firing line at people who
4. At least one perp is armed with somethingare looking to YOU for instruction. All
big,  and  sharp.  At  the  LEAST.shapes and sizes, all different in so many
ways, and probably all preferring a different
5.  Have  other  officers  to  worry  about.handgun. Damn, you HAVE to find the most
fundamental starting point.My answer? A
6. Cold as a sonofabitch. Stiff, wearingstrong, natural and (dare I say it)
winter uniform, can't move all that well.convulsive grip. The same GRIP you have used
Adrenalin  pumping  like  a  MOTHER.since INFANCY to hold and use tools and
objects, to make a fist, to lift weights,
7. Why didn't I become a dentist like Mamaetc. etc.Opposable thumb. Simple. This is THE
wanted?So you go IN. Your partner or yourmost basic action possible. Everyone can do
back up takes the "shit catcher" position atit. Everyone understands IT. And it is
the rear, you handle the "flush". C'mon now,APPLICABLE across the board for a GREAT
in you GO...................................Ivariety of hand types, builds, disabilities
know what I've done in those situation, Iand WEAPONS. It can be used for any size
know what OTHERS have done in thoseautoloader or any size wheel gun.NOW!!!!!
situations, and I KNOW how we were TRAINED toREAD THIS.............................Did I
do it, and MOST importantly, I know how itEVER SAY IT WAS THE ONLY OR BEST METHOD? NO,
was REALLY handled. Here's theI did NOT! I only said it was the MOST
"rub"............pretty much everything WEFbasic!What I did say was that it was the most
states in Shooting to Live is EXACTLY what Ibasic, simple, accessible GRIP to USE as a
have seen, and experienced BOTH in my OWNFOUNDATION. Get something SOLID under your
actions and those of others. ALL wellbelt NOW, then work towards whatever method
trained, diligent and "good" cops, knew theirand/or goal you wish. AND all the MORE power
business. AND this was before we EVER heardto you!My philosophy in a nutshell: I could
of these methods or researched theseteach you very effective techniques that
sources.SEE...........................THISwould take a bit of time to master. But along
was the MISSING link that we all KNEW, butwith that I can teach you something you can
COULDN'T really pin down. This was IT. YouUSE right now when you leave here and cross
can forget the "stats", the "percents",that deserted parking lot. Master BASICS
ignore the over SIX decades of empricalfirst and then the sky's the limit. Even WEF
knowledge from agencies all over the WORLDsaid given more time he would have taught
including the FBI, the DOJ, and virtuallydifferent methods. Ernie Cates when he set up
every major department throughout the freethe USMC close combat program with Nakabyashi
world( not even to mention a worldwidechoose his basics carefully. he told me that
conflagration then went on FOR years). Forgetrule one was: The part of the hand with NO
all of that. I KNOW what my "instinct" washair is the palm! At it's core that's all I'm
and what was the "instinct" of a host ofsaying.I'm sure I've missed some salient
others in similar situations. Does that makepoints (combat draw and some other issues),
it RIGHT or WRONG? Does it matter? It is whatbut I've wasted a whole day on this and I'm
it is. Kinda like death and taxes, or atpretty wasted by now. I did my best to offer
least death. You can talk up a storm aboutsound reasoning. That's all I can do. This
it, still is what it is.Okay. So, comparingline of thought can be applied to just about
what I knew to be relevant in my experienceanything, certainly all aspects of armed and
and having seen first hand, as well as thruunarmed close-combat.



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